RSA Conference Preview – CISO Talk EP 33

Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of she's so talk. My name is Mitch Ashley CTO with Textron group and principal with texturing research. Of course here today with my partner JJ Manila Jennifer.

Welcome always good to be on on with you which is a great topic which we have today. So let's take it. I'm sorry.

Go ahead Jennifer. Yeah. Sorry.

I'm just so excited. I was gonna jump right in there because I wonder baby to meet Brita and Casey who are to awesome humans. I have known for several years now, and I thought maybe you guys could introduce yourself bird if you want to start you bet.

My name is British Glade and I am vice president of content and curation with RSA conference. And I'm Casey circus and I am Senior content manager with RSA conference and Britain and I together are the content team the the masters of content for that's awesome. And in both of you been on different Tech strong activities interviews content before so it's thank you for coming back again.

Going to be here with a wonderful partner partnering connectionless partnering with you. All for the conference will be in broadcast alley and doing some fun stuff there too. So, okay, you know, we're lucky because JJ has kind of an Insider perspective.

She participates in so much of this with you and I'll it when you start out JJ. Love to have you kick it off. Sarah why you guys said you Queens of content over there, you've had some interesting keynote announcements for this year and I'm kicking myself in the butt and in the head daily because this is the first RSA in many years.

I'm gonna miss so why don't you kind of tell us about how you got those and specifically at some of the brain candy You know, it's I have you bet and I know Michio was one that you were you were bummed to be missing this year. He's a he's great. I mean, you know him obviously you followed him.

He was he this is one of these, you know by demand bringing back. He was on the RSA conference stage. I think it was 12 15 years ago and still maintains one of the top ratings on on that stage.

So we thought let's let's bring him back. So he will be part of the the lineup Eric idle volume Monty Python fans. Eric idle will be here and he's he's fun when we were doing the prep call with him.

We were laughing. We were crying we were interjecting this this amazing mind and he'll be talking really about how you know, how the Monty Python so came to be but as a course of that, you know, you get into teamwork you get into working together you get into working through difficult things and then he'll he'll really take you through some other elements of his life, which I think will be interesting and then just last week we announced that Christopher Lloyd will be joining us when we were looking at you thematically and I think we'll touch on this later later in the discussion all Emissions that came through Quantum. This is the year of quantum if ever there was a year this one's it and you know who really is kind of the father of quantum and Hollywood Doc Brown.

So we started building the Hugh Thompson show around Christopher Lloyd and we'll have some real Quantum experts joining him and then really get into into that Journey with him. So those are those are three of the fun highlights. That'll be happening on the keynote stage.

And then additionally that you know may not be as big name. But super fun. What does the universe sound?

Like with Dr. Matt Russo that just seems so beautifully interesting to me. And of course everyone is talking about AI these days and so security is part of responsible AI at home or at odds is another one that's on my radar as a must see.

AC last year there was one and I don't remember the title, but I think she was a musician. Yes. Yes Marilyn burn because it and can people go watch that recording.

Is it okay? Yeah, let's talk about that too. Yeah, they can see Britta playing the piano with Dr.

Merrill Goldberg. Yes. Now Dr.

Goldberg she is a gym and I do think this is going to be one of those stories that you know, five years from now. We're all going to see a great Netflix movie about her and we're all going to be cheering because RSA conferences is where you know, her story was first told that one is in the library if you just go and search Goldberg, you'll find it we can we'll drop you link so you can you can find that one, but she's actually working on writing a book right now on on her whole experience and what she did and the story is interesting. The individual is amazingly awesome.

And it's it's one that yeah, you don't want to miss following Dr. Goldberg's story. Yeah so many great Keynotes every year and I know I mean, I'm just gonna be transparent.

I know you guys get some feedback like the minority a few people here and there that say, oh, you know, we think all of the content should be security related and I personally is somebody on committee completely disagree with that because you know, we are we are whole humans and we are securing an entire world that includes everything and I think if nothing else that opportunity you guys have called it the brain candy talks. To get us thinking a little bit differently or sometimes thinking about different things which I think is really healthy, and I personally love that content. And to that end too one theme that came through very strongly across all of the submissions regardless of the track was this idea of Storytelling.

And so another keynote that speaks to that, you know whole Human Experience is how you brain responds to stories with Karen Eber or ever I'm not quite sure. Yes your name, but but yeah, the idea of Storytelling is important to the industry is really getting a lot of traction. So I'm excited about that.

Yeah, glad you I'm glad you dress that too because it's really easy to get locked into a track a school of thought kind of create a bowl around is of security or whatever our discipline is and you know, the whole Ted Talk conference prove why bringing diversity of experiences just as one example, I love what you're doing also want to find out finally how the flux capacitor around so I hope he hope he addresses that just to get a little geeky. Yeah. We had our prep call with him last Friday and I think b**** there will be some answers to your question.

I am here. Thank you. That's worth the price of admission right there.

That's he's a brilliant man. Bringing the individual out of the conversation and I think you'll I think you'll see that in lights and I do you know, I love JJ that you brought up these these brain candy scenarios and and some of the some of the ones that Casey's highlighted. We're introducing a new thing this year for lack of a better term.

I'm going to call them micro Keynotes. It's a you know, it's a five ten minute. Little little keynote synopsis as folks are coming in Dr.

Russo is part of that Karen ebers part of that and there's two others that are that are really amazing that all that I'll highlight as well. But to get your brain to that different place to get us thinking about things differently Casey mentioned the one from from Karen and Dr. Russo.

We've also got Claire Malone we'll be joining us who is a particle physicist from the UK. I I don't want to take space. I don't want to totally steal the thunder on this one, but with an accent Just and then be sexier This Woman's amazing.

She will she will take us through thinking about the universe differently and her presentation of it will also take us to a very different place and show us why we need to approach things differently why our different perspectives allow us to identify see experience things differently than how you know, we approach them. We all have our experience. We all have our backgrounds we're a product of that experience and that's the lens through which we see things when we start, you know combining with different people.

That's when the energy flows that's when we have the opportunity to see things differently and then the very last you know, micro keynote is poet. Ali poet is what he goes by Who will be talking about language? And again the language language that we have in common language that we might have differently but languages that bond that pulls us stronger and how when we find those unifying elements.

That's when we get to that next level. So I am so excited about about the keynote lineup and where it where it will be taking us you're leaning into this theme of stronger together. So let me ask this for for those of us that can't be there in person for one reason or another what what are options for for us or for people to attend either remotely or watch content after the fact, how does that work?

That we have an on-demand pest that is available. And with that on demand pass you're getting the Keynotes that we are able to livestream some some of these folks depending on our contract with them. We can't live stream.

We can only capture we can capture and present highlights from but generally speaking on our on our website. It's particularly the sponsor Keynotes those will be streamed as they happen those with on-demand passes. We'll have access to all of the content that we're allowed to that.

We're allowed to push out within a few hours of When It Happens Live and then all of that will be available, you know for folks with that past type for for 30 days in that gate. nice and then it goes to our library. I needed serious.

Well, congratulations. That's a amazing and fantastic lineup and man, you're setting the bar High. I mean it is just awesome.

I love what you're doing. I'm curious also, you know things are changing and moving in our industry constantly. We're all talking about things.

We you know discussed for many years too. Are there any new themes that you're picking up on with submissions and talks? And of course AI is hot but also application security.

What are some of those new areas that that you're starting to uncover people are asking to talk about But I'll jump in with the Greg and Paul's talk on chat GT GTP which is of course really hot right now. But what's cool about this session is it's Greg day who's at Cyber reason and Paul Van who is assumed to be graduate of the University of Virginia. And so they're taking these two very different perspectives of you know, a seasoned veteran in the industry in a very young, you know soon to be college graduate and looking at the potential threats and uses of chat GPT, and I think as you know, we've seen in the headlines that you know, Google and everyone else has come out with their sort of version of competitor of Chad PT the you know, this isn't going away and everyone wants to understand it and criticize it and and also apply it In ways that you know make it really a useful tool in their industry.

So I think that's one really cool one that I'm definitely looking forward to Definitely. Yeah, and then from a trend standpoint Mitch it it's interesting. We as JJ knows as part of our program committee.

The fire hose was very open this year with submissions inbound we had over 2400. That's all that's a lot of really thoughtful really interesting perspectives coming in from across the industry different perspectives different ways of looking at things and the program committee has to take Us through all of that they they know they have you know, 12 sessions 14 sessions 16 seconds sessions to fill a docket on a particular topic so the discussions that happened and you know, JJ, I don't know if any blood was said in your in your you know, skinnying down of what was ultimately picked for yours, but there's a lot of thought that goes into it and while we you know, jokingly referred to Brita and Casey at the beginning as the as the leads of the content. No, we are the custodians of over 150 different awesome program committee people across different functions who those are the experts.

Those are the leaders. Those are the folks really driving the content and we just kind of you know, help steer the boat in the back to try to make sure that organizationally things get done. But you know, we saw a lot understandably, Ukraine and Russia.

Um from different Vantage points, right? There's fraud things there's different threats that have emerged. There's going to be one interesting Wall Street Journal.

We'll be recording a podcast that you know, it's one of the one of the convicted fraudsters and the federal prosecutor and you're gonna hear that story first-hand in a live setting, you know with the moderated conversation. There was a lot as you said about application security and different ways things are being approached. We looked you know, there was the shift right?

There was shift left. There was shift Center there was shift everywhere and some conversation and and experiences and case studies against that and then you know Casey I know we were looking at open source, and that was so interesting, you know sbam, of course made its Mark and in legislation a couple years ago what may 2021 and and the the ripples of that are fast fast and wide and you'll see that coming through in some some particular sessions. Yeah, Mitch.

I want to jump in here because I think people don't necessarily realize this. So out of any said there's 150 of us now on the between the community and all the different programs committees. Yeah, there's over 50 because there's the normal what I consider the normal tracks.

I don't know how you guys classify them. And then there's all of like the special things that are happening everywhere, but I know for The bulk of the content, you know, the the tracks are sort of. Figure it out topically ahead of time.

And then you you guys do what I think is a lot of the heavy lifting of that first, you know, making sure that the submission that comes in is complete and then assigning it to okay this could fit well in this track and this theme or it could fit well and this one sometimes multiple and then you know when they get to us, I think so this year in the past year to have done the infrastructure and operate technology infrastructure and operations track along with two partners in crime. And I think we had close to 200. did ended up in our track and so the way that works is the members of the program Committee of which they're probably at least three for most of them sometimes more and they'll divide and conquer like reads every one of the submissions and these tables are you know, you're talking about a couple hundred submissions and I think the columns go from like a through a a there's a lot.

Yeah a lot of information. Yeah, so there's a lot of stuff and then and then what you know, and it is hard because usually by the time they get to us, they're all good. Right that was like, we really struggled this year and so much of the stuff we kept flagging and sending back to you guys.

Like okay, we this we can't fit this in the track but really does 365, you know webinar or do this or do that or maybe make sure this track gets that but so many great speakers and so many great topics, especially this year. I was just blown away because a lot of times in Blue Sky we kind of go off and curate content, but then you guys That works not done because we review every version and revision of every slide deck of the speaker's selected. And even if it's a panel they have to submit, you know, the questions and the flow with that.

So every one of us are reviewing every one of those at each step along the way to make sure it is in line with you know, it's adding value. It's in line with the theme and that it's not You know thinly veiled marketing crap. So it is a I mean you guys do a ton of work the program committee does a ton of work and I think it's not just like this giant engine of people dump stuff into it.

Then there's a Agenda that gets spit out. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean it really is.

You know very altruistic on your part JJ. You're you're you know, underselling the Huge responsibility it is to be a program Committee Member and and it's a volunteer position. That is just a lot a lot of amazing people who really care about the industry and sharing the right information with our audience every year so Now I do have one question for you guys because I think this is a good opportunity with a lot of the listeners.

because I one of the things I know we're always looking for is like any professional who has done something and is willing to share a case study or how they did that. Maybe if you guys want to kind of talk about because I think a lot of this audience could is in the pool for offering that type of content? What are you looking for?

Who should think about what where have there been gaps? That is awesome. And I actually wanted to pull up a specific example because listeners we do want to hear what you have to share.

We've got one. So in a poor Davis who's the CSO at Comcast, she'll be presenting a session. It's called Data privacy concerns a risk based approach to de-identification.

It's her plus the director of privacy and data protection at Comcast. So these are two incredibly talented folks who will be sharing a three year journey of what they've gone through you major organization, you know, where have we found success where we found bumps? How did we have to modify process?

Obviously with what they're talking about. It's multiple groups within the corporation that had to work together too. So the processes and things this one this actually bubbled up through our esaf program.

So esaf is a closed door invitation event for Fortune 1000 csos. Nepour has been an active participant there. And and she she said you I really would love to share this experience with a broader audience because we've we've learned some serious lessons.

We've we've we've gone through some challenges on our end. We'd love for people to learn from so that's just one of one of those examples, but I think within our well It's the human thing, right? We always want to look like we got everything right and not necessarily show that oh, whoops.

I stubbed my toe here. But those are the things we all tend to learn the most from and those are the stories that people do really resonate and and go to there's also another one an apologies. I'm looking at the other screen.

I want to make sure I'm getting all this right so that the sea so for Pitney Bowes will be sharing a session the devils and the data role of data governance and cyber risk mitigation. He actually presented last year at conference super well received session again, I see so in the chances sharing specific experience specific Lessons Learned as you know, JJ as you look at every deck and thank you so much for all those reviews of decks. It's super important.

We ask that the last slide of every RSA conference presentation be an application slide. What are you gonna do as a Of what you learn because we really do we're very committed to that neutral educational content. But also something you can take and do with what you learn.

You can go back and two weeks. Here's what I'm going to do and three months here's what I'm going to do because we really do want to help move that needle in the industry. So people sharing experiences people sharing, you know exactly what they've done within their organizations.

Those are such valued presentations that we love to see come through. Really does I'm not been on the program committees, but I've been a submitter and gone through that revision process and it does it really makes you think for this lad side last slide and needed to bring it home. Right?

What is it that is useful from what I'm talking about that's going to make a difference for you and trying to crystallize that you know, there's no easy process, but I think it's super important really valuable and I think also from a sort of guidance perspective on shaping the content knowing that that is where you want to end. You can begin with that. Right?

Like what are the next steps that I want people to be able to take away and then that helps to actually inform the content that you're delivering at conference. So I think it it's a it's a good guide for your development of curriculum, too. It is and we know that a lot of people.

It's they're the one from their team gets to attend conference. So they're taking their developed. You know, they're they're whatever they're learning.

They're going home and sharing with their whole group. So that's that's another reason. I really like that application because they're then helping their groups to to take and learn along with them and set set goals for the group and set, you know set things that they need to be doing researching more about activities.

They need to be engaging in so that's a super important part of the of the content. That's an unintentional but fantastic Segway to what mention I wanted to talk about next which is some of the professional development opportunities because we've had Speak. Oh well guessed here speakers and panelists and other events that you know, they've talked about really, you know coming into a cisotype role whether it's called CSO or something else security.

oversight in some way and needing to level up because they You know all of us have knowledge gaps, but especially when you were doing, you know, this role and suddenly you're sort of. Wasted into something like a seesaw role. You guys I know I've watched over the years there was a little bit of professional development content and that's really kind of Taken on a life of its own.

So what can people look for this year? We do have an entire track for the c-suite that covers a wide range of information from you know legal issues for a csos to you know, the ciso's best friend is the pen tester. So there are definitely very levels of content available depending on where you are in your career, but Britta also maybe you want to talk about see so boot camp and that program that's happening.

Love to talk about see so boot camp. So this is a program this year. It is brought to the community by RSA conference as well as Sands Institute working with our friends there.

It's a day and a half program specifically for that aspiring CSO. We do have some sitting CIS who will be joining as well. It's and if folks are interested, we are currently at capacity, but I'm happy to you know, take an inbound email.

We were working very hard to make sure it's qualified folks in the seat. We have some wonderful Folks at vendors, but unfortunately, if if you're not in a security-facing role, we're just working hard to make sure it's it's that aspiring sea so in the room and it's a day and a half of really awesome content hands on simulation programs networking everything to try to build this this next group of cisos, not just educationally but also that support network that they Need that they need from one another and then you know JJ as I think about, you know, you're the professional development and how does the profession think Casey I think inclusive security would be would be interesting to hit here too because that's such a important threat in the fabric of the community Yeah a hundred percent. So we are focused this year.

We have a track on inclusive security that runs on Wednesday the 26th and the content is really designed to help folks understand the value of team building and looking for diverse perspectives in developing that that team but then we also have folks that are just going to share guidance on you know, how to create an apprenticeship or an internship program and we use to better Retain talent and you know building from within and training internally rather than trying to seek external content. But also, you know just job descriptions, you know, that's I was at wesis last week and you know, one of the things that I heard repeatedly that just sort of echoed many concerns that I hear among our community is that you know, one of the primary issues with professional development and recruiting and retaining Talent is it all goes back to that job description and and so, you know, it's definitely an issue that we need to tackle head on and where they where they ask for 20 years doctor experience. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah for it and positions.

Yes for an ending entry level role. That'll pay you a whopping $40,000 a year. Yes.

So and that's that's sort of what is the fascinating to me? Is that like it's a universal awareness like everyone you talk to in the industry understands that this is the problem yet. It's not changing.

So it's you know, it's It's definitely something that we need to address and I'm super excited for you know, we've got Camille Stewart at ncod that's talking and with Rob duhart at Walmart. We just have like an incredible lineup amazing of amazing participants on that agenda for the track on Wednesday. So definitely mark your calendars for that so much stuff.

This is an struggle I have with because I always go online. Like a little kid. You know looking through and I put in little keywords for different things and there's just so much content happening everywhere all the time.

So I am curious and I hope you guys this is okay to ask me guys can't answer this. So if somebody's kind of familiar with RSA of the past what's different and I'm just I'm gonna ask this from a couple different lenses, you know is anything fundamentally different since the the Handover and the change of RSA kind of being the conference being sort of spun off from an ownership management standpoint. What is that?

What is that looking like or changing if anything and then just from a Content or extra curricular activities? There's anything new or different happening this year? You bet.

So yes, we we spun out. We are independent that happened last year and it's what if the really cool awesome elements of said Independence is is our program chair is actually The lead investor so you you know Hugh Thompson you've engaged with you Thompson for many many years and it's that same energy that same commitment that same passion about what can we do for this industry, you know, the 40,000 is that are at RSA conference and the millions beyond our essay conference. So they're you know, we are essay conference at its base and it's commitment to neutral education has never changed.

You know, we've it gosh this is year 9 for me in this role. It's always it's always been the same and and that passion of commitment and everything that's there. You see all the more I think you'll see some additional program offerings and such that will be coming in the in the in the midterm as a result of this new ownership and and it's a great it's a great committed group of people who you are really doubling down on this commitment of Education to the community at Large.

One of the things you guys have last year that even though I'm on the program it didn't know existed all the surprises. I know there's always a surprises. I don't know what you call it was a Hands-On workshop and specifically the one I went to Sunil was doing with the Cyber defense Matrix the learning Labs learning Labs.

Yeah. That was freaking phenomenal. Yeah.

We have some fantastic learning labs this year and one that I just like I'm I wish I were a fraud professional because I really want to attend money mules war games with Aaron England and Yuri ribner. They've they've done similar content in the past and it just is super fascinating again something that kind of evolved out of our EFG programming but you know, like the learning labs are Hands-On. They're two hours and I believe If we have 24 of them total, so they're definitely Limited in seating.

I think the capacity for most is 80. So you definitely want to reserve a seat but we have everything from the Sands Net War tournaments to a really cool Britain and I were talking about you know, some of the cool things that are happening that you wouldn't necessarily realize that RSA conference. And you know along the theme of stronger together.

We have some family sibling stuff happening on the big stage with Chris Stapleton and his brother and then in the learning Labs, we have two sisters that are offering a learning lab. So so there's lots of fun. Fun interactive stuff that's happening.

That's all connected to our theme. And it's hard not to be excited about it. Yeah, you didn't know JJ is the very first year.

We introduced learning labs. Mike Rothman I went to Mike and Rich with that I got this idea. Can you guys help me try this idea and it was so yeah.

So Mike was part of one of the very first original learning Labs. So these are you know, we want to give this small group Hands-On and they are incredibly valuable experiences and Sunil we doing one again. So okay always popular and Mitch Brita British said she wasn't sure there is any Bloodshed during our our program committee work and our track but I think the only blood that got shed was actually rich Moguls because he wanted a couple of the things and another track, but we called and and everybody was like Being super polite about I'm like, I'm emailing him and I'm telling him we're taking it.

It's true and that email changes went and went and went and went and but that yes The Passion of the program committee is very real like that might have been self-inflicted to my rich knowing this I said suck it up. Buttercup, that's ours. He's different.

He's a good friend, you know talk one thing's that we we don't officially program or maybe you do love to hear how you think about it is the hallway track, right? It's the interaction with colleagues professionals learning from you know, people that I did sort of serendipitous unintended conversations that happen that you go back and say wow that was worth the price of the ticket right there. I love being you know in those dialogues in conversations.

exactly, you know the hallway con is an incredibly important Part, you know networking and in the surveying that we do and we do a lot of surveying people really value the networking and yet. By and large our audience is introverted. So how do you help the folks that have trouble engaging in those conversations to engage in the conversation so that they have that Network and that was that was one of the origins of learning Labs.

It was kind of you know, how do we trick you into having a conversation in a small safe place against something so that hopefully you're able to have that same conversation with this really smart nice JJ person. You just met sitting there and you're gonna see your later in the conference and later in the conference. So learning Labs was done to try you know it teaches you something sure but it also helps you to engage in a small group birds of a feathers.

We have 36-ish. No, we have more than that this year 36 or 38. That are happening throughout conference again, small group conversations.

And those are those are you having a conversation with people you don't know but then there are the people that you know, so how are you going to find them? You know, so they're sitting spaces designed our sandbox program JJ. I'm sure you've you've stumbled into sandbox too, which is a surprise even to some of our veterans.

Oh, wow. I didn't know you had this area these great Villages that are brought to you with, you know, small Hands-On things fun fun engagement cyber Ops happens over there. So we've we've tried to create lots of ways to help you help you find others have conversations with others find new people new this year.

We're introducing on Sunday evening. So the night before the whole thing kicks off at 8:30. Am on Monday morning.

We're having a reception that specifically geared for first-timers, you know, you're brand new to RSA conference this big scary thing. I don't even know anyone. How am I going to find some people along with our Loyalty plus folks.

So you know think of this is the frequent flyers of RSA conference those who have come multiple years to hopefully help make connections, you know brand new experienced in this. Hopefully, you're going to meet some new people from those two different parts of things continue the relationship during the week and hopefully Beyond yeah as an introvert, Speaking for the introverts. Are you an introvert?

I know you have yourself a thing is like some of us it's not that we can't it's not that we're uncomfortable starting a conversation. We just don't want to talk to people. Yeah, very true.

But but it I do appreciate all of the opportunities to to network and there is always something going on in their Are so many ways to engage with people if you if you just want to have some social time if you just kind of want to lurk and hang out and you know, and be in a group of people that don't already know each other so you don't feel like you're the weird person. But yes, sometimes introverts. We just don't want to talk to people.

We just it's just too much. It's exhausting is exhausting. Yeah.

Yes. It's just a good listeners. Also, right there will be right on broadcast alley right where you will be based text strong.

There's and I'm not gonna I'm not going to totally spoil the surprise. But remember a few years ago when we had our our button wall where you could find the characteristic that identified with you. There's going to be something somewhat similar that will become a a group art installation that will help you learn more about each other that will help you.

So you who like to people observe JJ? It's gonna be interesting Mitch. It's going to be right down right down the hall from you, but it's really going to over the course of the week become a interesting manifestation of who we are as a community and the strength we draw.

Each other so look for that on in broadcast stallion, you'll see that kind of develop over the course of the week. Before we get early is in mosconee West and so yes, must go any West level one. Yeah, right is you're going into the West stage keynote room.

So I know we're going to be close to time soon. I have to ask a very important question. Because I like food and I've so I've heard a couple of my favorite restaurants right next to Moscone have closed what's going on over there is our new stuff opening or there.

Are there things just what what is the food situation? Will there be food for me to eat? Any big city there have been changes that have happened.

There's there's new things going in there's new things that will be added to we will make sure you do not starve. JJ that would be you know an awful thing and then there's a lot of things happening from our sponsors the whole Community that's it's bringing different things happening over the course of the week. So Do not do not fret you will be taken care of.

Yeah, I feel like if you if you play it, right and you go to enough boots and the expo hall. You can pretty much not have to pay for a lunch or a dinner or a drink or a coffee your whole time at Art City. There's there's a that is an experience and detoxing if you plot it, right?

Yes. We're good tennis shoes, right make sure you hydrate and make sure you plan plan your meals for the week. Yes.

You got it. So Mitch because we're talking about a lot of RSA stuff. Obviously, I'm gonna cry because I have to miss it this year.

What what's the text Sean presence and what are what are we doing there at RSA? Thank you for asking a couple things on Monday. We actually have our annual devops connect event, which is kind of its own a track that's happening.

That's part of our essay. And if you're into kind of software and security and understand that intersection the theme of that is devsecops is the new devops, right? So it's really all about security all throughout the software process.

You mentioned despondence things like that, but it's really several talks about that intersection of software and security. So that's a big event for Tech strong and we're online either speaking at that right Caroline is yeah. Well as a number of luminaries, yeah, very notable people in the industry.

Yes, so excited about that and then we'll be doing interviews on text on broadcast Ally our Tech strong Booth will be set up you'll see people with cameras and people sitting around tables talking that's actually live. From the event so and we've talked to speakers. We talked to just practitioners other folks that kind of share with the experience of the conference is like maybe what they're doing kind of focusing on it's it's sort of that hallway conversation that track onto a onto a streaming platform and you can watch that on any of the text running sites like Security Boulevard calm take strong dot TV, that'll be up and and Alive there and then we'll also post those after the conference.

So they're available for replay and we'll be just enjoying it being part of the fabric of you know, with 40,000 of our closest friends like everybody else at the event. So I'll always looking forward to it. I think I've gone RC maybe see you since 24 2004 something like that.

So it's great to be there number of years and kind of seeing the growth and development but it's just kind of mind blowing actually. It's phenomenal. It's Share your first your first talking here.

That was my first talk at rsac. Yes, you are enjoyed it very much. It was a great experience and hope to get to do that again.

Someday. I was actually talking about The software experience as part of security and how software is different in the ways that we created and where there's opportunity to inject an influence security into that software creation process devops agile, things like that. So a great feedback really love doing it.

Well, looks like we're coming up on our time here JJ any parting thought before we wrap things up. No, other than I really hate I'm gonna miss the event this year. It's just such a great lineup.

I do look forward to some of the on demand content that I can consume later. Hope everybody that goes stops by says hi to mention the crew. You probably won't see Britain Casey.

They're usually Right. Yeah, I feel like though if you see Hugh. Thompson and when you see who you know, you've seen you.

You should run up to them and say hi Hugh and then tell him Mitch and JJ on the podcast. Said to say hi. And let's just make his life absolutely wonderful because he's just one of those people to just loves other humans and he's his smile is just contagious and if you're having a bad day and you say hi to you the rest of your week will be amazing everything.

It is true. Yes, he would love that do it. One more phenomenal human as part of the rscc group.

Appreciate it. Well Brita at Casey wonderful having you on JJ always a pleasure doing this together, since you have a physicist as part of one of your Keynotes, I want to make sure I was doing this accurately using a term from physics, but I looked up Singularity and one of the definitions is a point at which a function takes on an infinite value rsac is the singularity of our industry and thank you for doing that. We appreciate the hard work you do to bring us all together to create that point of infinite value for each of us.

So thanks for being on. She's so talk with us today. Thanks for having us.

Did see you in April Mitch? See you in April. See you in April.

tv see so talk is there's available for Via video. com and get the audio version available through your favorite podcasting platform, of course, too. So JJ always fun enjoyed it we're gonna miss you at our as they see but I I know it's for important things.

So we'll see you at the next one. Okay. All right everybody.

Thank you, and we'll see you on the next show. Take care.